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Good post! Some of my thoughts and disagreements:

1. The definition of populism (the one in the academic literature, which I think you endorse) seems very uncharitable and biased. I doubt the vast majority of populist voters would literally sign on to such a Manichean view. Would be interesting if there’s research on it.

2. I think the idea that populists are straightforwardly illiberal is complicated. It’s noteworthy that on some topics right-wing populists explicitly champion core liberal values – free speech, meritocracy, against identity-based discrimination, supporting the idea that the state should be neutral between different political values (and not simply favour those of cultural progressives) – against “liberal” establishment elites who often reject such traditional liberal views in the name of cultural progressivism. It’s reasonable to point out that right-wing populists are often selective and hypocritical here, but then so is everyone.

3. The divergence between mass publics and parliamentarians in Europe doesn’t just exist on immigration but basically on all broadly “cultural” issues (severity of punishment, multiculturalism, national identity, gender). The gap is pretty huge if Guenther’s data is to be believed, and also exists (sometimes plausibly in even greater form) between mass publics and other establishment elites in legacy media, academia, law, etc.

4. “I’m actually not sure how much parliamentarians could do to defuse it simply by toning down their values regarding immigration… voters, especially populist ones, tend to live in an alternate reality as far as immigration is concerned.” I’m not sure about this. I think a lot of it boils down to identity and values. There has in fact been mass immigration against the preferences of many voters in many countries, coupled with many broader social-liberalisation trends brought about by established elites against what many want. No doubt there’s lots of misinformation, but a lot of this seems much more like a case where establishment elites have rigged society in favour of universalist, culturally progressive values that a large chunk of the democratic public doesn’t share. I happen to hold such universalist progressive values, but I would be reluctant to frame the difference entirely in terms of cultural conservatives simply being misinformed, and I have to admit there is something pretty awkward about this situation, politically, especially when combined with arguments about how right-wing populists threaten “liberal democracy”.

5. I find the specific social media analysis given here pretty weak. There isn’t much evidence for it, plus the representation gap identified in Guenther’s data predates social media. (Anti)-immigrant attitudes seem very stable over time. I suspect social media’s primary role is enabling people to much more easily mobilise around perspectives marginalised by established elites, coupled with how this (and simply the amount of time that has elapsed since WW2) also normalises them over time, emboldening people to act on preferences they previously kept private because they were socially stigmatised.

6. I’ve become more sceptical of the intuitive/reflection distinction, and rational ignorance framework, over the years. That’s a topic for another day, but I’ll just quickly note that there are many other more straightforward explanations of why people hold misperceptions, the rational ignorance one doesn’t really make sense (why do people vote or participate at all?), and examples like Pizzagate seem very unrepresentative of most real-world political cognition and beliefs. Also, perhaps I’m misunderstanding the findings cited but I’m not sure people must literally believe their individual votes are likely to be decisive to believe that voting is impactful, and in any case, people might have sincere reasons for participating in democratic politics even if they think their individual vote won’t be very impactful (e.g., because they think it’s their duty).

7. I suppose my overall view here is that I worry a bit that the analysis suggested by Hanania and you comes quite close to this: right-wing populist voters are completely deluded (and maybe even deplorable) whilst establishment liberal elites are enlightened (and maybe even morally wonderful). I don’t rule that view out a priori or entirely. I think it contains more than a few grains of truth, and I really liked many parts of Hanania's book. But it sets off my bias alarms, and I suspect that at the margin, smart people should try more to engage with right-wing populism in the most charitable form possible before dismissing it in this way. For example, it really does seem somewhat unjust if, in the context of democratic societies, an unrepresentative elite designs laws, policies, and mainstream institutions in line with highly culturally progressive values that aren’t shared by most ordinary people, and that when these people complain, or try to achieve democratic representation, they are dismissed and demonised as stupid, ignorant, misinformed, immoral, etc - and as a threat to democracy!

Anyway, these are just my off-the-top-of-my-head thoughts! The topic is on my mind right now because I’m going to be on a panel on populism with Joseph Heath in a couple of days. (I will also hopefully publish something soonish at CC).

Keep up the great work :) Love the blog!

Boltzmann Foot's avatar

“Reflective” seems like a bad name for these kind of beliefs

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